Okay. This is my first and probably my last post on this topic. Guys and girls, stop wasting time on this clown. He's not worth your time and/or energy. Ignore him and he will perish and go away. I disable comments on this blog posting, because I don't even feel like discussing it.
And don't even dare contacting me about it. Messages regarding PDV *will* be ignored. I refuse to give this asshat any more attention.
Aug 19, 2010
Satanism and Hierarchy
Lately there has been a lot of discussion about unifying Satanists in groups. If any of you know me a little, you would know that I don't think much of that. I don't see that it's needed. On S.I.N. on Blog Talk Radio there was a discussion between Jason King, Zach, Dark Fool, Beast Xeno and some other guy (shiva-somethingorother, I'll just call him Dave from now on, since it's easier to remember).
The BTR-show was about hierarchy in Satanism and if it's needed. Obviously, Xeno and "Dave" were on th e pro-side of the argument, and King, Darkfool and Zach were against. The discussion was interesting, but some things irked me to no end. Hence, this blogpost.
This "Dave" character irritated me. Obviously, he's a Theist, because he was going on about worship. Look, "Dave"; Satanism isn't about worship. Worship of anything is RHP. A Satanist can be theistic, but he (or she) will never worship anything other than him/herself. RHP has hierarchies because they recognize the need that sheep need to be dominated by other sheep. With the LHP, this is obviously not the case. Titles and hierarchy serve no purpose other than submitting the next guy or girl. Satanists have no need for hierarchy for the sake of hierarchy.
No offense meant to Venger Satanis and Beast Xeno though, they are part of an interesting organisation (even though I will never join it, ever). Venger tries to do well, being fair and balanced and staying out of the way, but I still wonder why he calls himself a high priest. What's the function? He can probably do whatever he does without the title, so why bother?
Anyway, I think people get too worked up about hierarchy. If you have a group of people with a similar direction and focus, hierarchies happen automatically through merit. The people who can lead do, and the people that are good at other things do other things. This is stratification. Water seeks it's own level. No need to impose hierarchies for the sake of hierarchies. It's not needed.
On to the issue of titles. Sure, a title like "high priest foobar of the sixth dimension of hatred" might look cool, but what's the damn use? Some people might think that's impressive, but not me. And I guess I am not alone. The only use for titles that I see is for ritual use, and in ritual anyone can be priest, adept, etc. etc. depending on what the ritual requires. Jason King said something to that effect in the discussion, and I wholly agree with him on this. The flexible use of titles just for ritual and not for status is (IMHO) very LHP. It is adversarial of the whole RHP-ish notion of titles as status, and therefore I think that's a good thing.
So, that's what I thought of the whole discussion.
Hail,
The BTR-show was about hierarchy in Satanism and if it's needed. Obviously, Xeno and "Dave" were on th e pro-side of the argument, and King, Darkfool and Zach were against. The discussion was interesting, but some things irked me to no end. Hence, this blogpost.
This "Dave" character irritated me. Obviously, he's a Theist, because he was going on about worship. Look, "Dave"; Satanism isn't about worship. Worship of anything is RHP. A Satanist can be theistic, but he (or she) will never worship anything other than him/herself. RHP has hierarchies because they recognize the need that sheep need to be dominated by other sheep. With the LHP, this is obviously not the case. Titles and hierarchy serve no purpose other than submitting the next guy or girl. Satanists have no need for hierarchy for the sake of hierarchy.
No offense meant to Venger Satanis and Beast Xeno though, they are part of an interesting organisation (even though I will never join it, ever). Venger tries to do well, being fair and balanced and staying out of the way, but I still wonder why he calls himself a high priest. What's the function? He can probably do whatever he does without the title, so why bother?
Anyway, I think people get too worked up about hierarchy. If you have a group of people with a similar direction and focus, hierarchies happen automatically through merit. The people who can lead do, and the people that are good at other things do other things. This is stratification. Water seeks it's own level. No need to impose hierarchies for the sake of hierarchies. It's not needed.
On to the issue of titles. Sure, a title like "high priest foobar of the sixth dimension of hatred" might look cool, but what's the damn use? Some people might think that's impressive, but not me. And I guess I am not alone. The only use for titles that I see is for ritual use, and in ritual anyone can be priest, adept, etc. etc. depending on what the ritual requires. Jason King said something to that effect in the discussion, and I wholly agree with him on this. The flexible use of titles just for ritual and not for status is (IMHO) very LHP. It is adversarial of the whole RHP-ish notion of titles as status, and therefore I think that's a good thing.
So, that's what I thought of the whole discussion.
Hail,
Hello out there
I guess every blog has to have first entry. So, what shall this be about? Well, first I'll outline some thoughs on why I started this blog here.
Okay, so I am cooperating on this website called "Nederlands Satanisme" which literally translates to "Dutch Satanism". Because I want the site to have an international voice which is seperate from the site itself, I started this blog here on blogspot. It was quick to set up, and I am generally lazy like that. Maybe I will register a domain for this at some time, but for now I stick my rants up here. Mainly because I have to keep the Dutch and the International (English-language) stuff seperated.
So, I hope you will enjoy this blog. I won't be posting often, but I hope what is here is worth your while.
Hail,
Okay, so I am cooperating on this website called "Nederlands Satanisme" which literally translates to "Dutch Satanism". Because I want the site to have an international voice which is seperate from the site itself, I started this blog here on blogspot. It was quick to set up, and I am generally lazy like that. Maybe I will register a domain for this at some time, but for now I stick my rants up here. Mainly because I have to keep the Dutch and the International (English-language) stuff seperated.
So, I hope you will enjoy this blog. I won't be posting often, but I hope what is here is worth your while.
Hail,
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